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hey how you doing everyone it's a very

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cool day today we're chatting with the

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man himself Mr Ralph Blumenthal oh man

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I've been excited about this all week so

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I'm looking forward to this uh to this

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podcast for sure yeah everybody knows

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the New York Times article that talked

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about you know glowing auras and black

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budget money really the the the first

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thing that talked about the Tic Tac

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videos and Pentagon and all the rest

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knowing about it and remember it was

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1969 the government said we're

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officially out of the UFO research

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business so for them to say that there

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is this program that has existed it's

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been one shape or another the entire

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time and the man who wrote the article

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himself is on the show and if it wasn't

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for that 2017 article our field wouldn't

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have the momentum it has right now so I

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think probably wouldn't be here right

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yeah exactly we all owe a big thanks to

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the likes of Ralph and Leslie Kane and

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Helene Cooper especially for that

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article we're going to get into all that

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as well as his career and also some of

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the stuff coming down that's his new

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book The Believer it's uh the personal

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or the passion of John Mack another

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brilliant mind we never got a chance to

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chat with but today's an exciting day

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we've been promoting this for over a

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month and he is here coming up right now

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Mr Ralph Blumenthal on UAP studies

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[Music]

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good friend and

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co-host Mr Jason gilmette how you doing

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I'm doing very good I've been looking

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forward to this interview all week good

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to hang out with you and Ralph and uh

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it's got It's got me through a good week

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so I'm happy to be here and happy to be

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with you guys Any Sunday we can talk

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about this it's our favorite subject is

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a good one we have a very esteemed guest

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today obviously award-winning New York

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Times Reporter Mr Ralph Blumenthal all

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through seven books and I believe I even

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read somewhere Ralph that one of the

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teams you ran was a Pulitzer Prize

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winner is that true yeah we covered the

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uh first attack on the World Trade

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Center before 9 11. uh there was a truck

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bomb in the World Trade Center and it

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really laid the groundwork for what came

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later but the investigators the FBI Etc

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didn't understand it and they missed the

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warning sign so it's it's a terrible

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lapse unfortunately Jesus well we're

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very happy to have you in the show today

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we want to get to know you uh again pre

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some of these uh latest reports that

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have come out and of course you're a

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groundbreaking article that you wrote uh

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glowing auras and black money out in

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2017 with your colleagues Leslie Kane

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and uh Helene Cooper so tell us a little

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bit about yourself and your

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investigative life and some of the cool

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things you've done

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great well um I didn't start off as a

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ufologist and I don't think of myself

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today as a ufologist I think of myself

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as an investigative reporter who latched

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on to an interesting subject and asked

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you know questions about it just like I

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did with other things I did for the New

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York Times I spent 45 years at the New

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York Times mainly as an investigative

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reporter covering organized crime

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corruption and Nazi war criminals law

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enforcement FBI

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so uh this was just another of the

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interesting subjects that sort of came

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my way and I'll tell you about you know

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how that happened but

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um uh you know I um I I come to it as

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with great humility by the way because I

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think anybody who comes to this subject

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has to come start with that

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um uh we don't know a lot about it we

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don't know anything about it except that

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these objects are real and the

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government now admits that these things

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are real but other than that we don't

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know where they come from an intelligent

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life Behind These behind the wheel as it

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um you know why are they here you know

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all those questions uh aliens Etc that's

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really very speculative so anyway so I

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didn't start off that way I started off

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as a reporter

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nice and then the when was the interest

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or when did like your first article on

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the subject happen well what happened is

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uh back in 2004 I was in New York Times

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uh correspondent in uh in Houston uh

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covering the southwest and I happened to

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pick up a copy of a book by a guy named

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John Mack um it was a book called

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passport to the cosmos and he was a

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Harvard psychiatrist who got interested

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in in the whole question of you know

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these encounters that people were

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um and he couldn't really call them

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patients because they weren't mentally

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ill you know they were just ordinary

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people who had something unexplained

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happened to them

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um so I read the book and I said wow

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this is really interesting back in 2004

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and um I I should call this guy up for

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an interview I thought he'd make a great

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story in the New York Times I did not

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realize that he was already very famous

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he had been in in the New York Times

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they've been written up in the magazine

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he'd been on Oprah

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he'd written a lot of Articles he'd

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written these two books he'd been

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investigated by Harvard uh to to little

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effect as it turned out but anyway

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um I I thought I'd call him up for an

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interview and then I pick up the paper a

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few days later and find out he's been

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run over in London and killed by a drunk

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driver a very

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um it sounds you know suspicious but it

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turned out not to be it was just a

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simple yank looking the wrong way down a

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subject so that was 2004 and then

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through a whole series of events that

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were unrelated to John Mack really

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Cooper the New York Times

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um I got interested in or found out

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about this Secret Pentagon office that

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was investigating UFOs but so that's

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really the story of how I got involved

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um but it just happened I had been

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working on the John Mack book it wasn't

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real really related to the New York time

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story

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so did you have people reach out to you

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and say we want you to run this story

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like was it brought to you or was it

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just from the Gathering of information

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from you and all of your counterparts

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what no you know there are a lot of

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conspiracy theories around especially on

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the web that this is part of some plant

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Leslie Kane happened to be down she's

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the really the preeminent writer on UFOs

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investigative reporter wrote a book on

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um generals and pilots who reported UFO

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encounters uh back in 2010 or 11 she

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wrote that book anyway she and she and I

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got friendly through the John Mack book

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because she was the companion of Bud

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Hopkins who really got John Mack

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interested in in UFOs and alien

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encounters anyway

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uh so back in 2017 Leslie told me she'd

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been to a meeting in Washington where a

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lot of until you know not a lot a number

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of very high level intelligence people

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Secret Pentagon office uh called atip it

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wasn't really public but it was

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identification program it was a pentagon

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office that was looking into UFO

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navy pilots and these have been going on

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superiors in the Pentagon Lou Elizondo

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information which was astounding because

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officially the government was out of the

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UFO business with Project Blue Book you

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so suddenly he was the government very

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Secret Pentagon office that was taking

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videos and we got some of those videos

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with that story and uh to their credit

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they realized it was a good story it was

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all on the record we had people named

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people nothing you know on deep

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yeah he got the 22 million dollars to

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support the secret office of black money

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you know undisclosed funds

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16th and of course the you know a real

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uproar yeah there's a distinct

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difference between the world of ufology

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and I know a lot of people that weren't

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taking it more seriously got more

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credibility obviously press time clicks

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shows start being created we're one of

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the examples of that as well so

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it's a good thing but this really was

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groundbreaking I mean this is the first

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time in a long time and as you mentioned

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the government is no longer in the UFO

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business so this is the first time now

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that Pentagon and media is being allowed

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to say that there's something we don't

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quite understand right it came at a good

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certainly fueling the interest in UFOs

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um but for a long time the government

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wasn't telling the truth about it it was

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covering up it's clear about that and

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mainstream media was kind of snarty

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including the New York Times They they

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were not really giving full attention to

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these stories because a lot of the the

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sightings really were being reported by

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individuals I mean this had been going

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on for a long time but ordinary people

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reporting these sightings now suddenly

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we had the best trained uh observers in

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pilots who who's training you know cost

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millions of dollars to taxpayers with

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the most sophisticated equipment that

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they were saying these things too and

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there uh you know gun cameras and

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imaging devices so it was pretty hard to

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avoid so a lot of things came together

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it we made the subject safe you could

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say for other mainstream media

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um you know I don't want to take too

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much credit for that but the timing was

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good

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um and once the New York Times wrote

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about it then you know other

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Publications felt they could write about

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it yeah you definitely kicked the ball

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in the air with that one and got a bunch

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of like you know Louis was saying with

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you know a bunch of us like I remember

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reading the articles on MSN or something

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like that that it was shared through and

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and the data got released and I was at

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work I was just farting around looking

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at uh the news and all of a sudden I saw

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the the article I'm like oh my God oh my

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God and I shared it with everybody in

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the office right because I I've never

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shut up about UFOs I've always talked

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about it and wear it on my sleeve and uh

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you know I got a lot of mockery because

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of it over the years but getting

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something like this this was like a

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validation of sorts and like I said you

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you motivated uh Louis and I to get the

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ball going and and be more active within

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the community and and question things as

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well like ask a bunch of people what's

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going on uh so it like I said It All

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Leads back to that article so we thank

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you very much for that definitely

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it was interesting to chat with a guy

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like George Knapp too who had done a lot

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of that sort of research for 40 years

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and you know for him validation finally

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and he was part of this in a small way

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because I think he was with nids and all

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the rest and OSAP and then eventually

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ate him so he was kind of watching this

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thing go through and we asked him when

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he was on our show about a year ago and

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we said what do you think about the

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article and he said well I'm kind of

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bummed out that I didn't get a chance to

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drop it he's like but I think they

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needed a big you know mainstream media

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company like the New York Times and guys

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like Tom Delong with notoriety and sort

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of recognizable figures to really give

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it the best shot of going forward yeah

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well a lot of people had done this

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reporting George particularly you know

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was a groundbreaker and his stuff with

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um

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things that went on at the ranch and he

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was a conduit to Robert Bigelow who I

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wrote up later

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um so you know people had done a lot of

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great research

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um but the fact that was on the front

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page of the New York Times you know it

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did make a difference because the times

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kind of it was like an h-bomb going off

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um so

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um uh yeah I mean I think we we did

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validate the subject and gave impetus to

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to a lot of people but as I said these

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things were going along on a separate

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track for a long time and the fact that

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the internet was so

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um alive with these stories

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um it came along at a good time had the

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times broken the story before the

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internet let's say I don't think it

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would have the same impact no definitely

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not yeah because you get to spread out

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and in other countries get to see haha

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you know the states are still interested

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in this and I mean every country has a

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problem with this you mentioned that

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other countries are really ahead of us

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in many ways

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um they don't have the same Stig Sigma a

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lot of those countries and South America

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Europe I mean France had a very active

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UFO official agency that Leslie wrote up

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um so they didn't have the same problem

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that we had here where early on the

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government made a decision to Brand this

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subject wacky for a lot of reasons that

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uh frankly don't make a lot of sense

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today but seemed logical maybe to some

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people during the Cold War that they had

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a brand this subject like you know some

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kind of communist plot

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but other countries have been ahead of

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us but they don't have the technology

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that we have

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um so but they they've done some

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terrific work in in South America and in

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Europe other and by the way this is a an

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international Global phenomenon people

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so-called Skeptics who I don't really

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count them as Skeptics because they

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don't have an open mind but

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um they've said well why is this only

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happening in America well it's not only

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happening in America we happen to have

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the best Communications Network to

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distribute these stories but this is a

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worldwide phenomenon and and John Mack

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who will get to uh the guy I wrote up in

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my book

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he actually went all over the world uh

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you know checking out these stories in

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Australia and

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um Africa so this is a worldwide

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phenomenon and only now that that's

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really being recognized and unfortunate

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so far the world hasn't really come

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together on it I heard you say earlier

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that you know even the term you are

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aliens is presumptuous because we just

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don't know so I wanted to ask you and

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I'm asking everybody this year all the

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big name people we have on our show at

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the end of all your research and

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everything you've read and surmised

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about this whole topic what do you think

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is actually going on dude what do you

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think

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not really based on much except

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um you know data that's been collected

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and uh and this is what convinced John

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Mack

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um he spoke to so many people who had

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similar stories and he ruled out uh or

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so he was much smarter in this than I am

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obviously I mean he had professional

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credentials to study the human mind so

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he

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found out after interviewing hundreds of

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these people

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um that there were Ordinary People in

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every way they were not mentally ill

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they were not looking for to make a

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quick Buck on these stories if anything

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they were ashamed of for some reason

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wasn't their fault but they were ashamed

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of what had happened

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um and they were hiding

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um and uh it happened to people from all

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walks of life

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um in in many countries young and old

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sometimes children as young as two years

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old who who weren't going to the movies

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and you know they were reading books

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about UFOs so all these things came

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together and and and John Mack said

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there's something going on that we we

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can't explain and that's basically where

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I am in this that

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um the the data if the so-called

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Skeptics would take the trouble to look

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at the data before they make all these

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pronouncements oh it's sleep apnea it's

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sleep paralysis Eagles yeah you know

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yeah they're making it up for money they

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want to be famous you know all these

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things that don't hold up in in factual

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analysis

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um you eliminate all of the

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possibilities and you're left with the

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fact that there is some phenomenon

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they're out there

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that we don't understand and and John

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Mack said probably this was his most

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controversial utterance he said

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um

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maybe what these people are reporting

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actually did happen on some level in

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other words they really did you know

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make contact with alien beings and there

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are aliens you know manifesting

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um to some people again who they why

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they're manifesting to some people not

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everybody why everybody can't see this

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happening is one of the many Mysteries

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um and sometimes two people in the same

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place one has an encounter and one

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doesn't

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um so you know there's all these

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questions about it but you ask me my

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belief

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you put the these stories together the

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evidence and there's something going on

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that we can't explain

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so that's as close as I can get to it

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we're we're going to talk about the

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recent report from the unidentified

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unidentified aerial phenomenon that just

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got released I don't want to jump ahead

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but one thing that really bugs me is

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that they're talking about you know

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um one I thought this was clever they

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say error Zen space

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and then you know water domains or

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whatever so they don't add space first

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because they don't want to give the

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illusion that you know this might be

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from a different location uh but what I

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I find interesting is that they don't

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mention any studies of people that have

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reported having interactions with

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occupants of a craft that is unknown

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right I don't mention about that because

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we recently were talking about the

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Zimbabwe case where there was like over

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60 kids that witnessed uh two entities

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on the craft that was unknown and the

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entities was not human as far as the

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kids described that's huge data that's

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60 Witnesses and they talked

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telepathically with these um entities

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they all got different messages that's

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huge amount of of witnesses that still

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to this day stick to their story being

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adults and John Mack did end up going to

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Zimbabwe and and talked with these kids

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and he was convinced that something

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happened right yeah no I mean you made a

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lot of good points right there that

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first of all the the report that came

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out last week

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um uh did not at all talk about you know

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individual reports of sightings because

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the government first of all does not put

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any faith

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um in individual stories of they would

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rather talk about

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um you know sightings or data collected

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by Navy and Air Force aircraft so maybe

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that's good in a way but

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um

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the the citing the incident in Zimbabwe

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um in 1996 I believe the called the

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aerial phenomenon because it was an

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aerial School the school was called

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aerial school where it happened and

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there's actually a very good documentary

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as you know by Randy Nickerson who was

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one of John Mack's research subjects

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anyway this is very powerful this is

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probably the best

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documented case of a sighting that we

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various ages but elementary school

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children who all reported the same thing

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60 kids at recess Drew pictures of it

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afterwards and all basically told the

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same story that they saw this craft land

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that two beings got out they had

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telepathic communication with these

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beings no no adults were present which

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is extremely strange right

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um and they were the adults were tied up

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at different parts of the school

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so there's again this aspect about about

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this phenomenon that doesn't want to be

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identified really

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um it's extremely strange

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but yet the accounts of the kids are

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very

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persuasive because these kids again

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we're not you know reporting on

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literature that they had studied they

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would not you know watching UFO movies

553
00:21:02,750 --> 00:21:01,020
the stories were consistent which is

554
00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:02,760
another thing that John Mack found very

555
00:21:08,090 --> 00:21:04,760
persuasive the stories had a basic

556
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,100
consistency and yet where all slightly

557
00:21:12,049 --> 00:21:10,559
different so that nobody could say well

558
00:21:14,450 --> 00:21:12,059
this is some story that's going around

559
00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:14,460
and everyone's repeating it uh the the

560
00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:17,100
details are so bizarre that nobody could

561
00:21:20,330 --> 00:21:19,080
ever possibly make them up you would

562
00:21:22,610 --> 00:21:20,340
think

563
00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:22,620
um and including the stories that the

564
00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:24,360
children told about the way the beings

565
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:27,480
looked and the way they moved so um

566
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,039
you're absolutely right that was a very

567
00:21:33,890 --> 00:21:31,679
very compelling case yeah and they also

568
00:21:35,870 --> 00:21:33,900
Drew what appeared to be like the

569
00:21:39,169 --> 00:21:35,880
descriptions of Grays which we hear

570
00:21:41,690 --> 00:21:39,179
quite a bit in your in UFO community and

571
00:21:43,490 --> 00:21:41,700
especially with abductions but they they

572
00:21:45,289 --> 00:21:43,500
were drawn large eyes they kept

573
00:21:47,810 --> 00:21:45,299
describing the large eyes big heads

574
00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:47,820
smaller bodies so there seems to be

575
00:21:51,890 --> 00:21:49,980
something to that because people keep

576
00:21:53,870 --> 00:21:51,900
describing that you mentioned that as

577
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:53,880
people from all walks of life said that

578
00:21:58,669 --> 00:21:56,400
there was police officers nurses judges

579
00:21:59,930 --> 00:21:58,679
uh people absolutely you know like you

580
00:22:01,850 --> 00:21:59,940
mentioned they're you know even people

581
00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:01,860
in Hollywood for crying out loud that

582
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,200
have experiences you know like producers

583
00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:06,000
and stuff yeah well yeah Hollywood you

584
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,140
mentioned that you know some famous

585
00:22:13,549 --> 00:22:09,840
people rap stars

586
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,559
um uh uh who didn't when I went back for

587
00:22:18,529 --> 00:22:16,080
a story to talk to them they didn't want

588
00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:18,539
to talk to me about it but uh Kendrick

589
00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:20,760
Lamar for example

590
00:22:25,810 --> 00:22:23,580
um who told other people uh about that

591
00:22:28,669 --> 00:22:25,820
so absolutely right celebrities

592
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:28,679
non-celebrities teachers police officers

593
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:32,580
it runs the gamut and yet

594
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:35,280
um it seems to run in families by the

595
00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:38,640
way this this phenomenon which John Mack

596
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,440
and Bud Hopkins found

597
00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:42,480
again one of the many mysteries about

598
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,280
this that

599
00:22:48,529 --> 00:22:46,559
um it's as if these beings or whatever

600
00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:48,539
you want to call it this intelligence is

601
00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:52,200
tracking certain Family Lines

602
00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:55,140
um but they're not going after everybody

603
00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:56,940
obviously

604
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,580
um so I for example I have never had a

605
00:23:03,710 --> 00:23:01,440
UFO experience I've never seen a UFO

606
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:03,720
I've never been abducted as far as I can

607
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:07,200
tell I knew they had John Mack

608
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:09,539
um so the question arises well who makes

609
00:23:15,130 --> 00:23:12,480
these decisions and why it's one of the

610
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:15,140
many imponderables here and one of the

611
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,460
you know fruitful lines of scientific

612
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:19,679
inquiry you would think would be to

613
00:23:25,549 --> 00:23:23,280
study uh the the people the brains of

614
00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:25,559
people who have had these or you feel

615
00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:27,179
they've had these encounters let's say

616
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,460
uh how do they differ from other people

617
00:23:34,669 --> 00:23:32,400
and what shows up in their uh you know

618
00:23:36,350 --> 00:23:34,679
their their mental processes that

619
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:36,360
doesn't you know translate to other

620
00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:37,679
people

621
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,059
um that would be an interesting

622
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,520
scientific uh and and you know there are

623
00:23:44,830 --> 00:23:43,200
people looking into that by the way I

624
00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:44,840
mean um

625
00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:49,500
uh Jacqueline and others um are actually

626
00:23:54,529 --> 00:23:52,679
interested in this subject so but so

627
00:23:56,090 --> 00:23:54,539
again I keep returning to the so-called

628
00:23:59,210 --> 00:23:56,100
Skeptics

629
00:24:02,029 --> 00:23:59,220
they don't have an open mind all they do

630
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:02,039
is you know is debunk this stuff and if

631
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:03,600
they would take the trouble to look at

632
00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:04,440
it

633
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:06,600
and look at the data and the data is

634
00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:09,240
huge huge I mean millions of people

635
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:11,340
literally millions of people around the

636
00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:14,640
world over you know 50 years or so at

637
00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:17,100
least 50 years have had these strange

638
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:19,980
encounters so you know what what is

639
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:21,720
really going on so there's a lot of

640
00:24:26,750 --> 00:24:23,940
possibility of scientific inquiry but

641
00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:26,760
it's most of it has not been done yeah

642
00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:28,380
and you think about it from a genetic

643
00:24:32,029 --> 00:24:30,179
level you were mentioning it's familial

644
00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:32,039
or it's sort of a lineage based thing

645
00:24:36,289 --> 00:24:34,260
some people have said that they do

646
00:24:37,789 --> 00:24:36,299
genetic tests and that type of thing

647
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,799
when they've had these abduction

648
00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:39,840
encounters and it's like well maybe

649
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:41,580
there's some Credence to that if there

650
00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:44,880
was some work done Generations ago maybe

651
00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:46,679
they're trying to keep track of what

652
00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:48,600
happened in consequent you know

653
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:51,299
Generations has the DNA reproduced

654
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:52,860
correctly you know what it's a good

655
00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:56,820
question but so far it hasn't born any

656
00:25:02,810 --> 00:25:00,299
fruit people who have been for example I

657
00:25:04,490 --> 00:25:02,820
talked to I interviewed somebody I won't

658
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:04,500
say their name but somebody who told me

659
00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:07,380
he thought he was a hybrid okay he

660
00:25:13,549 --> 00:25:09,780
believed he was the product of a

661
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:13,559
combination of human and uh off off

662
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:17,159
Earth intelligence okay through one of

663
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:19,740
these sexual experiments that so many

664
00:25:23,149 --> 00:25:20,580
people

665
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:23,159
to talk about it abducted on the ships

666
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,320
and subject to reproductive experiments

667
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:27,600
so this person this man told me he

668
00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:29,940
thought he was a hybrid so my ACT my

669
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,500
obvious next question was well have you

670
00:25:36,289 --> 00:25:34,080
been tested and he said yes he's been

671
00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:36,299
tested and they didn't find anything

672
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:38,340
that was a Smoking Gun in other words

673
00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:40,140
there was nothing that said aha of

674
00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:41,940
course here's the proof in your cell

675
00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:43,980
structure your cell structure is

676
00:25:49,390 --> 00:25:45,960
completely different than in ordinary

677
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:49,400
humans they didn't find that so either

678
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:52,620
these changes are so subtle

679
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:55,500
that they they're not easily found just

680
00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:58,860
like the implants are not easy to

681
00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:01,260
um to detect if they exist at all you

682
00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:02,760
know so many people say they've had

683
00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:04,919
alien technology implanted in their

684
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:08,120
bodies well uh it's it's it's not clear

685
00:26:14,289 --> 00:26:11,100
that any objects have been retrieved

686
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,299
that can easily that can uh

687
00:26:20,029 --> 00:26:17,039
absolutely be called alien technology

688
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,039
okay at least I'm not aware of that

689
00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:23,279
um so uh you're right those tests should

690
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,559
be done on people who who feel that they

691
00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:27,360
are you know hybrids or that they've had

692
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:29,340
alien encounters and things have changed

693
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:32,940
their brains but uh so far uh the

694
00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:36,240
scientific evidence is is is still to be

695
00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:38,100
found or it's lacking well we don't even

696
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:40,740
know about our own uh genotype that well

697
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,620
we consider a huge chunk of it junk DNA

698
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,840
I don't know of any animal that has Just

699
00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:48,480
Junk organs that aren't being used right

700
00:26:54,169 --> 00:26:51,659
so I think it's just our own inability

701
00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:54,179
to fully understand our own DNA how can

702
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:55,860
we then test for something at that level

703
00:27:01,310 --> 00:26:58,320
that's just my personal opinion and the

704
00:27:03,470 --> 00:27:01,320
whole science of DNA is so young uh I

705
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,480
mean it's all the the dangerous when you

706
00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:05,039
look at crispr and things what you can

707
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,200
do with it

708
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:08,400
like absolutely right you fool around

709
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,100
and create God knows what but

710
00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:13,919
um this science you know again I I often

711
00:27:18,529 --> 00:27:15,900
come down to the to this it's a very

712
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:18,539
fascinating observation that from the

713
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,659
the moment that mankind uh humankind

714
00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:23,279
developed

715
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:26,580
um heavier than air aircraft flight

716
00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:29,940
um to the landing on the moon was 60 uh

717
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:32,460
was it 65 years

718
00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:36,840
um so uh uh if if you say that in 65

719
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:37,700
years

720
00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:40,260
this kind of progress can be made from

721
00:27:44,649 --> 00:27:42,539
the first flight to a rocket ship that

722
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:44,659
can land on the moon

723
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:47,880
amazing technology is off in the future

724
00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:50,400
so we we will have a chance to test some

725
00:27:54,110 --> 00:27:51,900
of these theories

726
00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:54,120
um I think in the years to come

727
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:56,580
and also the they mentioned

728
00:28:01,370 --> 00:27:58,440
um recently because we're talking some

729
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,380
uh experts as and I forgot the names of

730
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:03,600
them or who who said it but just the

731
00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:07,919
effects of these Crafts near humans some

732
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:11,159
people experience radiation Burns uh

733
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,320
quite intense some people have weird

734
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:15,360
diseases like we were talking to George

735
00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:16,559
Knapp he's mentioned all these

736
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:18,659
autoimmune Hashimoto's disease I think

737
00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:20,820
yeah yeah but you know what this is very

738
00:28:25,730 --> 00:28:22,440
interesting because the report that came

739
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,740
out last week basically denied that and

740
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,320
said that there's been no evidence found

741
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:30,240
of effect I mean it was very carefully

742
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:32,279
worded yeah so this is the latest

743
00:28:36,529 --> 00:28:34,020
government report which is really

744
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,539
notable for what it doesn't say it's

745
00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:38,640
it's very Bare Bones to say the least

746
00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:41,580
it's it's really almost laughable how

747
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:43,980
little information is in this report

748
00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:47,520
which is mandated by Congress for the

749
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:50,400
Pentagon has to report every six months

750
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,220
or so to Congress so the latest report

751
00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:55,500
which was delayed for a long time by the

752
00:29:01,789 --> 00:28:59,640
way but came out last week says and

753
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:01,799
almost goes out of its way to say among

754
00:29:06,970 --> 00:29:04,860
the very few things it did say it said

755
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:06,980
that No Effects have been found

756
00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:09,299
from people who've been exposed

757
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:12,840
supposedly to UFOs or UFO sightings

758
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:14,460
well

759
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,520
that does raise some questions because

760
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:20,159
there have been accounts including uh

761
00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:22,860
one uh service member who actually

762
00:29:28,750 --> 00:29:24,600
collected money from the government for

763
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:28,760
uh you know injuries Burrows I believe

764
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:32,640
suffered in consequence of a UFO uh you

765
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,159
know proximity so

766
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:37,679
um uh you have to read these reports

767
00:29:42,289 --> 00:29:39,539
very carefully because mostly what they

768
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:42,299
say is we don't have data proving this

769
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,260
or I I was not aware of that or we were

770
00:29:50,269 --> 00:29:48,240
not aware of this this and this well

771
00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:50,279
what's the we are there people other

772
00:29:55,549 --> 00:29:51,779
people in the government who are aware

773
00:29:58,370 --> 00:29:55,559
of it so um you know that it's it's

774
00:30:00,649 --> 00:29:58,380
really very uh difficult to parse these

775
00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:00,659
reports because they're very

776
00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:02,760
um you know hedged about but they did

777
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:05,100
make a point of saying no we we found no

778
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,580
correlation between exposure to uh UFO

779
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,279
sightings and um you know health effects

780
00:30:15,529 --> 00:30:13,200
well that that would be very interesting

781
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,539
if true right we're going to chat with

782
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,039
Gary Nolan in a few weeks we're going to

783
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:18,960
ask him all about that because that's

784
00:30:22,669 --> 00:30:21,299
sort of his area of expertise but we

785
00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:22,679
don't want to beat the report to death I

786
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:24,419
know a lot of other shows have there's

787
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:25,799
really nothing to Beat to Death

788
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,960
unfortunately we said this before we

789
00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:30,240
started recording today that if it had a

790
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:31,860
lot of information in it that would say

791
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:33,779
something and the fact that it doesn't

792
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,820
also says something

793
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,440
um and it's interesting that you know

794
00:30:40,909 --> 00:30:39,360
they seem to have these assignments of

795
00:30:42,889 --> 00:30:40,919
okay we're going to report it this way

796
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:42,899
we're going to collect this way couldn't

797
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,100
that have been done in the last report

798
00:30:48,409 --> 00:30:47,279
like what was the delay for to tell us

799
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:48,419
that you're going to use the same

800
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:50,940
standard practices you use in a lot of

801
00:30:54,289 --> 00:30:52,500
other committees to collect info

802
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:54,299
information so I don't get where the

803
00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:55,980
delay is the only thing I find

804
00:31:00,409 --> 00:30:58,260
interesting though is who they're

805
00:31:03,649 --> 00:31:00,419
supposed to share the findings with so

806
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,659
they listed the FAA NASA the Department

807
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:06,000
of Homeland Security NOAA the

808
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:08,580
atmospheric and oceans people and the

809
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,740
department of energy and Jason and I

810
00:31:13,549 --> 00:31:12,000
were shooting the breeze before and he's

811
00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:13,559
like where's the Air Force and I'm like

812
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:15,179
I need to write that down it's true

813
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:17,580
where the hell is the Air Force yeah in

814
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:18,720
this report that they're not even

815
00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:21,240
supposed to be reported to so clearly

816
00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:23,100
there's more Above This that we just

817
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:25,740
will never see or yeah at least not true

818
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:27,720
but but the good thing is that the last

819
00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:29,820
defense authorization act last year

820
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:33,899
provided for the um establishment uh the

821
00:31:37,789 --> 00:31:35,940
protection of whistleblowers this is a

822
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:37,799
very important aspect they're very new

823
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:42,480
but um uh you know for a long time

824
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:46,260
people who reported UFO encounters or

825
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:51,360
reported U.S technology tracking so were

826
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:55,500
hampered by a security you know

827
00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:59,820
guidelines and security uh prohibitions

828
00:32:05,930 --> 00:32:02,340
let's say that talk about certain things

829
00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:05,940
well there's that whistleblower

830
00:32:07,630 --> 00:32:06,460
um

831
00:32:09,529 --> 00:32:07,640
[Music]

832
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,539
Amendment or whatever you want to call

833
00:32:14,029 --> 00:32:11,820
it aspect to the to the defense

834
00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:14,039
authorization act which protects people

835
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:16,140
coming forward

836
00:32:21,769 --> 00:32:19,919
um with stories about UFO experiences

837
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:21,779
um now there's a I think there's a

838
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,240
couple of loopholes in this too that if

839
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:26,159
it's protected by you know obviously top

840
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:28,740
secret clearances Etc they don't have

841
00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:31,080
absolute freedom to discuss it but

842
00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:33,419
basically it's an effort to protect

843
00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:35,399
people who felt nervous about coming

844
00:32:40,330 --> 00:32:37,320
forward and you know for a long time

845
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:40,340
there was a stigma that um anybody

846
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:43,260
civilians or especially professionals

847
00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:47,460
like if like like commercial pilots to

848
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:50,100
this day who report UFO encounters or so

849
00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:51,600
are told

850
00:32:56,269 --> 00:32:54,179
don't do it it'll hurt your career so

851
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:56,279
now the government we've reached a point

852
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:58,620
we made progress we reached a point

853
00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:01,080
where there's an official whistleblower

854
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:05,159
protection provision in the law and uh

855
00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:07,980
and encouraging people to come forward

856
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:11,220
and tell their story so we will see uh

857
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,140
how much new information that produces

858
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:16,320
but that is definite progress do you

859
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:17,519
think it'll make a difference though

860
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,500
because I get it like it might protect

861
00:33:24,049 --> 00:33:21,600
you from legal ramifications or from

862
00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:24,059
getting fired or losing your job but if

863
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:26,519
this is a reputation thing kind of an

864
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:28,500
unspokables and it's kept a lot of

865
00:33:33,169 --> 00:33:31,019
people from coming forward not just the

866
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:33,179
fear of Legally but hey am I going to

867
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:34,860
have a job as a pilot if my colleagues

868
00:33:39,409 --> 00:33:36,840
think I'm nuts so yeah it might protect

869
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,419
you from the courts but it still may not

870
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:42,320
fully I mean it well you're right

871
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,700
there's still a stigma aspect to it but

872
00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:46,559
it's decreasing it really is decreasing

873
00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:49,980
I mean Harry Reid was brave enough to

874
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,980
come forward and get that money for atip

875
00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:54,480
and

876
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:57,000
um he knew the risks that you know his

877
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:58,559
political opponents would use it again

878
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:01,860
him and yet he took it anyway and that

879
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:04,740
was back you know before we reported uh

880
00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:07,500
you know a first story now unfortunately

881
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,300
Harry Reid is no longer with us but

882
00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:11,280
there are other people who are taking

883
00:34:15,950 --> 00:34:14,040
courage from that and uh coming forward

884
00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:15,960
it's still not perfect it's still there

885
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:17,940
is a lot of stigma and people are

886
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:19,859
worried about how much can I say and

887
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:22,560
this and that but um we're moving in the

888
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:23,639
right direction

889
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,700
yeah you recently had uh was it John

890
00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:28,560
Ratcliffe the former director of

891
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,379
intelligence and he said recently on an

892
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:33,119
interview that these things the five

893
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,599
physics and our capabilities you know in

894
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,879
U.S the US is a superpower and does not

895
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:41,040
currently possess this technology

896
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:42,780
and so he didn't really say it was

897
00:34:46,609 --> 00:34:44,700
aliens he just said that these defy

898
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:46,619
physics and what I thought was funny as

899
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:50,040
well in the report is said uh that as of

900
00:34:55,849 --> 00:34:52,679
late there has been no crashes between

901
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:55,859
these unidentified flying objects and

902
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:57,180
planes

903
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,740
since the start of the investigation

904
00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:00,720
which I think okay either the pilots are

905
00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:02,700
like really awesomely trained for when

906
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:05,160
something comes really close to them or

907
00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:06,480
these things are under intelligent

908
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:08,580
control and can prevent the crash from

909
00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:10,440
happening for some reason they're

910
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:12,060
they're more advanced being able to stop

911
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:15,720
than we are or to go fast right uh it

912
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:17,160
doesn't want to point out that it's

913
00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:20,520
alien technology but it is unknown to us

914
00:35:25,609 --> 00:35:23,220
like we don't understand how this is

915
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:25,619
possible and somebody defies gravity or

916
00:35:30,349 --> 00:35:28,260
defies physics that should be the

917
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:30,359
biggest news in the world that's

918
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:31,980
something how there's defying physics

919
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:34,140
and it's an object and I'm the only way

920
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,640
that people aren't looking at it that

921
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:37,440
was missing in the report too oddly

922
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:39,660
enough yeah right

923
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:41,099
um that's right

924
00:35:46,910 --> 00:35:42,420
um now

925
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:46,920
um uh Radcliffe was a a bombshell when

926
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:49,140
he said those things yeah and

927
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:52,800
um really uh John Ramirez a former CIA

928
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:55,760
agent has said very recently also that

929
00:36:02,829 --> 00:36:00,300
the Roswell crash discovered that alien

930
00:36:05,050 --> 00:36:02,839
bodies with the human

931
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:05,060
DNA

932
00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:08,460
you know now again that it hasn't been

933
00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:10,859
confirmed as far as I know by actual

934
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,300
evidence a lot of people are saying

935
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:14,160
things were right but but

936
00:36:18,829 --> 00:36:16,140
um Ramirez is you know he's got

937
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:18,839
credential to form a CIA guy and he said

938
00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:21,300
some really interesting things so

939
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:23,460
um yeah I mean there's a lot of the

940
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:25,800
problem is as the New York Times you

941
00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:27,780
know reporter or contributor

942
00:36:31,609 --> 00:36:29,820
there's a lot of information out there

943
00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:31,619
people are saying a lot of very

944
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,740
startling things uh but you know we have

945
00:36:38,750 --> 00:36:36,960
to stick with what can be confirmed and

946
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:38,760
the the thing we're proud of in our

947
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,500
first story and the stories we produce

948
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:42,720
since then is that they're all based on

949
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:45,960
uh actual you know demonstrable facts

950
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,180
it's not speculation it's all you know

951
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:51,119
on the record uh so we had to stick with

952
00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:52,740
what we could prove we heard a lot of

953
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:56,099
stories Leslie and I and and Helene

954
00:36:59,630 --> 00:36:57,300
um that we didn't put in the New York

955
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:59,640
Times because we couldn't confirm it

956
00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:01,619
um the furthest we got actually was our

957
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,680
last story where we reported that

958
00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:06,960
Congress or congressional committees

959
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:10,619
were briefed on possible crashes and

960
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:13,740
recovery of UFO debris now this is a

961
00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:15,180
very

962
00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:16,920
um sensitive topic

963
00:37:21,050 --> 00:37:19,140
um to this day it's highly classified

964
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:21,060
and we didn't report anything that was

965
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:23,460
classified all we said was Congress was

966
00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:25,500
briefed or certain congressional

967
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,339
committees were briefed on uh with

968
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:31,440
slides that mentioned possible

969
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:35,160
recoveries of off-earth materials

970
00:37:42,109 --> 00:37:38,820
um that's as far as we could go but

971
00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:42,119
um I think that was pretty far yeah

972
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:44,339
um in terms of you know the reaction it

973
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:45,780
got and people said well why didn't you

974
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:47,640
say more well we couldn't really confirm

975
00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:49,260
more to the point where we felt

976
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,280
comfortable putting in the New York

977
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:52,320
Times but

978
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:53,940
um so

979
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:55,500
um yeah Radcliffe said some very

980
00:38:00,650 --> 00:37:58,260
interesting things and uh

981
00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:00,660
um you know I think as I say I think

982
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:03,180
we're moving in the right direction

983
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:05,700
um we'll see what what comes out

984
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:08,339
and the Crash retrievals I mean we we

985
00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:09,900
keep hearing about that there's tons of

986
00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:11,880
books written about different crash

987
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,000
retrievals or cases in the world uh what

988
00:38:20,030 --> 00:38:17,040
I find is that one of the very first

989
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:20,040
whistleblower was uh Bob Lazar and I

990
00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:21,240
don't know what your opinion is on Bob

991
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:23,460
Lazar but he was the first one to sort

992
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:25,619
of show the US government knows that

993
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:28,140
these things there was nine crafts some

994
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:30,780
were functional some of them are not uh

995
00:38:34,849 --> 00:38:32,940
and the only reason for me to really

996
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,859
believe the story that you know this was

997
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:36,720
actually true is how did he bring

998
00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:38,460
friends in the middle of a desert middle

999
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,180
of nowhere at 7 p.m or 7 30 p.m on a

1000
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:43,680
Wednesday night when they would fly

1001
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:45,180
these crafts and he would show his

1002
00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:47,940
friends check this out how would he know

1003
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,339
that if he didn't work there and uh just

1004
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,320
you know now you're starting to uncover

1005
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,240
things that you know uh that he was

1006
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,700
saying is true is coming to light and

1007
00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:58,079
some of his employment like it was a

1008
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,940
messy situation he explains it in his

1009
00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:01,560
book but I think one of the very first

1010
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:03,720
whistleblower was Bob Lazar he exposed

1011
00:39:08,690 --> 00:39:06,480
right something was up right no as as

1012
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:08,700
one experience that told me when I'm you

1013
00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:10,260
know brought up some topics like this he

1014
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:11,880
said well now you're diving into the

1015
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,720
deep end of the swimming pool yeah yeah

1016
00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:17,280
uh so yeah I mean

1017
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:20,220
um I I don't know Bob Lazar I know what

1018
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,260
he said I think is fascinating very

1019
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:24,720
interesting I don't think it's easy to

1020
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,380
determine without further information

1021
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:30,480
um you know how much of what he said can

1022
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,940
be you know confirmed and we don't see

1023
00:39:37,069 --> 00:39:34,800
pictures of these crap we don't see we

1024
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,079
you know I mean the public there are

1025
00:39:41,410 --> 00:39:39,599
people who say they've seen these craft

1026
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:41,420
in the possession of the US government

1027
00:39:48,109 --> 00:39:45,420
uh it's a very intriguing uh area of

1028
00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:48,119
speculation let's say

1029
00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:51,300
um uh do we we does the government have

1030
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:54,359
possession of alien craft is it you know

1031
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,460
back engineering reverse engineering

1032
00:40:01,609 --> 00:39:58,800
this for our own you know there was a

1033
00:40:02,569 --> 00:40:01,619
guy at um I forgot was it Northrop a

1034
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:02,579
Grumman

1035
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,359
um

1036
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:06,480
who who said something close to that

1037
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:08,760
that you know he he knew that we were

1038
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:12,180
reverse engineering alien Craft

1039
00:40:16,430 --> 00:40:13,800
um but again it hasn't been confirmed

1040
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,440
was said in an oblique way

1041
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:17,839
um it's it's

1042
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:20,640
incredibly intriguing

1043
00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:22,920
um there's clearly an arms race going on

1044
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:24,839
to understand this technology I mean

1045
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:26,220
recently

1046
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:28,440
um Zero Point Energy was confirmed

1047
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:32,280
that's one of the Holy Grails of uh you

1048
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:34,920
know of scientific inquiry now if you

1049
00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:36,540
can make if you can make more energy

1050
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,060
than you use

1051
00:40:44,089 --> 00:40:42,180
um you have a miraculous new source of

1052
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:44,099
energy that would replace fossil fuels

1053
00:40:49,849 --> 00:40:45,960
it would save the planet I mean it would

1054
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:49,859
revolutionize uh Humanity

1055
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:53,160
um so that's pretty astounding

1056
00:40:58,609 --> 00:40:55,560
um if you know if it can be taken to the

1057
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,619
next step but for the first time uh

1058
00:41:02,210 --> 00:41:00,480
there was a scientific advance that gave

1059
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:02,220
Credence to this so you know when it

1060
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,680
came up once before it was ridiculed and

1061
00:41:08,329 --> 00:41:06,960
it was shown to be inaccurate or

1062
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:08,339
whatever I remember when the funeral

1063
00:41:14,329 --> 00:41:12,420
over it about uh 10 or 20 years ago they

1064
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:14,339
said no it was a mistake you know there

1065
00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:16,260
is no 0.8 well now they're saying yeah

1066
00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:18,660
it's possible so

1067
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:21,540
uh you know we think of again the

1068
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:23,400
trajectory here we're only in the

1069
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,460
beginning of this research and having

1070
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:28,800
Low by the way at Harvard who was kind

1071
00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:30,599
of John Mack's successor in some ways

1072
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:32,760
although he doesn't talk about aliens he

1073
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:34,380
talks about

1074
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:37,500
um you know scientifically solid uh

1075
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:40,619
observations of mysterious objects that

1076
00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:43,020
have entered our our atmosphere and he's

1077
00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:44,820
looking for for one such thing now on

1078
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:46,619
the floor of the ocean

1079
00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:50,760
um uh he's he he's a very interesting

1080
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:52,320
guy and he's saying some of the things

1081
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,820
that John Mack said but he's not getting

1082
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:55,680
into trouble for it because he's

1083
00:42:00,530 --> 00:41:58,260
sticking to the to the science

1084
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,540
um and Mack was a psychiatrist who did a

1085
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:02,640
lot of speculation

1086
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:06,780
um you know beyond his his expertise

1087
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,359
um but they both came from Harvard and

1088
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:11,520
it's very interesting

1089
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:14,760
um uh and and and what they agree on by

1090
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:16,260
the way is that the scientific

1091
00:42:24,109 --> 00:42:19,920
establishment has been 2 too timid has

1092
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:24,119
been you know afraid to pursue certain

1093
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:27,359
areas of inquiry and has been very quick

1094
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:31,560
to shut down uh you know Renegade

1095
00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:36,650
so I think it's very interesting to

1096
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:38,579
watch what Abby Loeb is is coming up

1097
00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:41,940
with he's very careful not to say

1098
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,579
anything that can't be proven we had him

1099
00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:46,560
on our show a few weeks ago we actually

1100
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:48,420
did a poll on one of our Facebook groups

1101
00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:49,800
and said what question do you want to

1102
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:52,260
ask and somebody said ask him why he

1103
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:55,619
debunked the Ukraine UFO case as you

1104
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,800
know no uh no flashbang Sonic Boom then

1105
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,480
how come the Tic Tac behaved the way it

1106
00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:02,400
did so I asked him that viewer question

1107
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:04,500
and he basically just went in and said

1108
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,940
well how do we even know it's a Tic Tac

1109
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:08,160
I mean that's what was seen but there's

1110
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,619
inherent error in human observation even

1111
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:12,720
though there are you know pilots and

1112
00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:14,700
really well-trained people and and the

1113
00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:16,920
greatest of observers we're still humans

1114
00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:19,380
the machine that we have is only so good

1115
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:21,780
and he basically said you know like the

1116
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:23,640
Tic Tac itself yeah a lot of people know

1117
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,040
but but we don't know we don't have the

1118
00:43:30,829 --> 00:43:28,079
data it was taken off the ship wasn't

1119
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:30,839
triangulated and he's just very careful

1120
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,420
that like he wants to be the guy and I

1121
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:35,040
wholeheartedly believe this he wants to

1122
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:37,500
be the first guy to actually find proof

1123
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,319
that nobody can refute but anything shy

1124
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:41,760
of that he's not going to give you a

1125
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,060
straight answer because he knows

1126
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,560
he's very smart about it and he is

1127
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:48,720
sticking to the science but he wrote a

1128
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:51,180
whole book about how a muamua this

1129
00:43:55,309 --> 00:43:53,700
object that was it came into our

1130
00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:55,319
atmosphere from outer space and then

1131
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:58,140
left before anybody knew what it was or

1132
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,319
could measure it but based on the

1133
00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:03,359
observations of this thing that came in

1134
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:07,319
and then went away that it did not obey

1135
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:10,380
the natural laws of meteorites so it

1136
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:11,700
seemed to have some kind of a power

1137
00:44:16,849 --> 00:44:15,180
source and a light sail he thought so

1138
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,859
that's really interesting so he's saying

1139
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:18,240
these things in a scientifically

1140
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,319
acceptable way to his credit so he's not

1141
00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:23,760
getting in the same kind of trouble that

1142
00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:25,800
John Mack got into at Harvard where they

1143
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:28,740
accused him of being so enthusiastic and

1144
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:31,859
not being scientific enough so uh which

1145
00:44:36,849 --> 00:44:33,240
was probably true John Mack was

1146
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:36,859
enthusiastic and he led his enthusiasm

1147
00:44:41,230 --> 00:44:40,200
carry him beyond what could be proven

1148
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,240
let's say

1149
00:44:46,609 --> 00:44:44,160
but they didn't want to listen to him uh

1150
00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:46,619
really and eventually Harvard caved I

1151
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:48,420
mean they said that um

1152
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:50,760
he didn't do anything wrong

1153
00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:51,740
um

1154
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,079
so but Avi Logue is is really coming

1155
00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:57,420
from a somewhat different aspect as an

1156
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,819
astrophysicist as he would be he's not a

1157
00:45:03,230 --> 00:45:01,040
psychiatrist

1158
00:45:05,329 --> 00:45:03,240
but it's very interesting what he's

1159
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:05,339
saying yeah I think this subject has

1160
00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:08,280
multiple fields of study you know this

1161
00:45:12,650 --> 00:45:10,440
you could do a university course for a

1162
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:12,660
few years or or college course a few

1163
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:14,700
years on just ufology and all the

1164
00:45:18,530 --> 00:45:16,380
different levels and aspects of it and

1165
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:18,540
where it leads since the start of this

1166
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,000
podcast I was very adamant Bigfoot you

1167
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,040
know ghosts all that that's all

1168
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,680
it's not true but the more we dig into

1169
00:45:29,050 --> 00:45:27,359
this the more we final cable there's

1170
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:29,060
people saying no there's a there's

1171
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,500
something linked with paranormal

1172
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:33,599
activity in certain locations across the

1173
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,940
world well you know absolutely right

1174
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:37,680
what you're saying is something that

1175
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:40,140
John Mack ended up with that he started

1176
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:40,920
off

1177
00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:45,900
investigating alien encounters he was a

1178
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:48,119
um very well-grounded psychiatrist he

1179
00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:50,339
studied nightmares he studied he brought

1180
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,680
one a Pulitzer Prize

1181
00:45:58,490 --> 00:45:54,720
um uh you know writing about Lawrence of

1182
00:46:00,589 --> 00:45:58,500
Arabia and his mental processes

1183
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:00,599
um but then he got interested in these

1184
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,000
encounters that is you know subjects

1185
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:04,800
research subjects were telling him about

1186
00:46:09,170 --> 00:46:07,020
and in the end he started getting

1187
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:09,180
interested in a lot of other paranormal

1188
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:10,440
things

1189
00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:14,460
um like crop circles and uh Survival Of

1190
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:16,020
Consciousness after death and things

1191
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:19,020
like that so he did think there was it

1192
00:46:21,550 --> 00:46:20,520
was related and of course Whitley

1193
00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:21,560
strieber

1194
00:46:30,050 --> 00:46:26,040
who you know wrote about his own very

1195
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:30,060
striking encounter with the Paranormal

1196
00:46:35,230 --> 00:46:31,319
um

1197
00:46:38,109 --> 00:46:35,240
you know

1198
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:38,119
web of of

1199
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:40,260
anomalous experiences that we we

1200
00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:41,940
certainly don't understand what death is

1201
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:43,859
people have had you know near-death

1202
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:45,960
experiences and they've come back and

1203
00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:47,400
they remember things that they're not

1204
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:48,780
supposed to have remembered because they

1205
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,780
were dead quote dead so

1206
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,760
um and and John Mack was studying this

1207
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:55,680
when he was run over so he realized that

1208
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:58,260
there's a lot of other things that uh

1209
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:00,359
you know sort of come into this Beyond

1210
00:47:05,569 --> 00:47:02,940
alien encounters and it's it's just one

1211
00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:05,579
of the many Mysteries we have yeah even

1212
00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:07,140
the cattle mutilations a lot of people

1213
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:09,660
report lights over their fields and they

1214
00:47:14,770 --> 00:47:11,579
find dead cows the next day that just

1215
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:14,780
seem to defy you know their death

1216
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,060
is so I mean the the book about

1217
00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:20,400
Skinwalker Ranch that really was it

1218
00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:22,140
seems to be some kind of portal with

1219
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:24,660
strange things happening uh for whatever

1220
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,430
is an object lesson that here's a place

1221
00:47:35,809 --> 00:47:33,420
and I just heard about a place in Norway

1222
00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:35,819
I was on another show where

1223
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:38,460
um the host said are you aware of the uh

1224
00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:40,500
you know experiences in in this place in

1225
00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:42,599
Norway and I said I wasn't and they said

1226
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:44,099
well it's a kind of portal they've been

1227
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:46,380
all kinds of strange things going on I

1228
00:47:50,410 --> 00:47:49,440
didn't know about and and certainly the

1229
00:47:55,069 --> 00:47:50,420
the

1230
00:47:57,890 --> 00:47:55,079
which are documented I mean that it's

1231
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,900
not just people telling stories they did

1232
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,240
a whole scientific study and the guy who

1233
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:02,640
who bought the ranch in Utah from Robert

1234
00:48:07,309 --> 00:48:05,460
Bigelow is another billionaire and he's

1235
00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:07,319
studying it so I guess it takes a

1236
00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:09,720
billionaire to to Really study these

1237
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:11,220
things but they brought in a lot of

1238
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:14,880
experts and uh to this day they haven't

1239
00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:17,760
figured it out you know why and how but

1240
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:19,560
a lot of strange things are happening

1241
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,020
yeah and even on the subject of the

1242
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:24,240
alien abductions it's either these

1243
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,980
people are telling the truth or there's

1244
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,660
a new Mental Health

1245
00:48:32,089 --> 00:48:30,000
issue that we are not aware of that

1246
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,099
needs to be diagnosed and it's amongst

1247
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:34,079
the general population we were talking

1248
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:36,359
to Jim semivan which is uh you know

1249
00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:38,040
former CIA agent worked in the

1250
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,200
Department of Defense and he says well

1251
00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:41,760
he's fully engaged with the Department

1252
00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:44,460
of of Defense he's part of the CIA as an

1253
00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:46,140
agent he wakes up one night with three

1254
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:47,940
little dudes in his room

1255
00:48:51,770 --> 00:48:50,220
so he admits even people within the

1256
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:51,780
defense department are experiencing

1257
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,420
these things as well so the subject of

1258
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:56,400
saying we don't know what this is okay

1259
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:58,619
but let's just admit that it's rampant

1260
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,020
and that it's all Global this is

1261
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:03,839
everywhere people in remote areas are

1262
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,400
seeing these things or experiencing the

1263
00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:07,440
same thing as people downtown New York I

1264
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:09,900
think Bud Hopkins was describing

1265
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,660
a lady being taken out of like the 14th

1266
00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:14,640
floor or something by you know he was

1267
00:49:18,829 --> 00:49:16,260
adamant on they wrote a book on it right

1268
00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:18,839
yeah he did yeah and I have interviewed

1269
00:49:23,930 --> 00:49:21,660
Linda Napolitano who came forward under

1270
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,940
her real name afterwards who was the

1271
00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:25,680
woman who

1272
00:49:29,569 --> 00:49:28,020
um had this experience that bud Hopkins

1273
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,579
wrote about it was called the Brooklyn

1274
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,160
Bridge abductions you know as somebody

1275
00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:35,280
who uh was witnessed by some people

1276
00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:37,859
again this is a very complicated story

1277
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:40,859
because Bud Hopkins never could find the

1278
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:44,880
witnesses who Who provided the the best

1279
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:47,760
account of this it was supposedly two

1280
00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:50,819
security guards for for

1281
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,099
um Secretary General of the U.N who

1282
00:49:58,690 --> 00:49:55,680
witnessed this woman being abducted out

1283
00:50:03,349 --> 00:49:58,700
of her window over the Brooklyn Bridge

1284
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:03,359
by three alien beings like Angels flying

1285
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:05,940
in you know flying her out of the window

1286
00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:09,359
into a into a UFO that then

1287
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:11,220
went into the East River

1288
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:14,099
according to the accounts but anyway so

1289
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:15,720
Bud Hopkins

1290
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,180
tried to find these two guys who

1291
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:19,920
supplied the information he had tape

1292
00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:22,200
recordings of them talking to him he had

1293
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,640
the letters from them but he couldn't

1294
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,640
find them which is again I can't

1295
00:50:31,490 --> 00:50:29,040
emphasize this enough that that the

1296
00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:31,500
Hallmark of this phenomenon is just when

1297
00:50:35,809 --> 00:50:34,020
you think you're close to getting an

1298
00:50:38,569 --> 00:50:35,819
image of an alien or you're getting the

1299
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:38,579
alien autopsy or you're getting the the

1300
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:40,440
photograph that you've been waiting for

1301
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:42,660
so it it's elusive

1302
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,660
um and that's not an accident I mean it

1303
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:47,119
seems to be

1304
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,900
a a feature of this

1305
00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:53,280
phenomenon that it doesn't want to be

1306
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,520
easily found out now you know a skeptic

1307
00:51:00,049 --> 00:50:58,079
so-called skeptic will tell you well

1308
00:51:02,210 --> 00:51:00,059
that's because it doesn't exist

1309
00:51:04,190 --> 00:51:02,220
but there are too many people as you say

1310
00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:04,200
millions and millions of people either

1311
00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:07,020
this is a a new mental aberration that

1312
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:09,780
is affecting a large proportion of

1313
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,160
people all over the world from

1314
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:13,280
two-year-old kids to you know

1315
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:16,980
grandmothers and police officers Etc or

1316
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:18,780
there's something going on that we don't

1317
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:21,240
understand yeah and we were talking

1318
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:23,579
about abductions being part of uh you

1319
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,720
know family

1320
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:26,880
uh you know DNA they seem to be

1321
00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:29,700
following through we do similar things

1322
00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:31,800
with animals in nature like you know a

1323
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:34,140
polar bear and a polar bear you know

1324
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:36,359
when we interfere is is nailing

1325
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,740
abduction first they see something

1326
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,119
flying which usually is like a

1327
00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:41,520
helicopter then they're paralyzed which

1328
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,140
is the Tranquil shot you know the

1329
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,599
Tranquility shot we give them uh they

1330
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:47,280
can't move while we move down there we

1331
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,260
do a bunch of things we take blood we

1332
00:51:53,329 --> 00:51:51,359
add a caller to them tracking and all

1333
00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:53,339
that they have babies we do the same

1334
00:51:57,410 --> 00:51:55,500
thing I mean we do that to animals and

1335
00:51:58,970 --> 00:51:57,420
we expect somehow that these things if

1336
00:52:01,370 --> 00:51:58,980
there are evolved would be doing the

1337
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:01,380
same thing just on the higher level so

1338
00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:03,780
yeah that that's my thought my thought

1339
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:05,339
behind it and even now they're

1340
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,220
mentioning that apes are entering the

1341
00:52:13,490 --> 00:52:10,319
Stone Age they've realized how to use

1342
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:13,500
rocks and and sharpen up sticks and and

1343
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:16,920
you know fish uh is it possible that we

1344
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,960
had a species more advanced than us here

1345
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:21,119
beforehand and now they're just watching

1346
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:22,980
us the same way that we watch the

1347
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,660
progress of these Apes right you know

1348
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,880
Abby Loeb writes about this a lot I mean

1349
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:28,559
this guy first of all he is so prolific

1350
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:31,020
he writes about two blogs or three blogs

1351
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:32,640
a week in addition to what he's doing at

1352
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,839
Harvard

1353
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:36,000
um and I get his his blog posts they're

1354
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:37,800
very interesting but he's saying I mean

1355
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:40,200
if you just imagine the age of the

1356
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:43,920
universe 13.9 or 8 billion years and

1357
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:47,040
that gives a lot of different planets a

1358
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,280
lot of time to develop a civilization so

1359
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,440
it is very possible that they have

1360
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:54,720
produced uh intelligent civilizations

1361
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,200
that have come and gone long since gone

1362
00:53:02,690 --> 00:53:00,000
by now and

1363
00:53:04,730 --> 00:53:02,700
um and we might be catching evidence of

1364
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,740
this now and things that happen to be

1365
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:07,440
flying through our airspaces so but this

1366
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:09,480
might be the residue of things that came

1367
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:12,660
in went billions of years ago so

1368
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:15,480
um it really makes you kind of humble

1369
00:53:18,530 --> 00:53:16,680
when you try to think of the

1370
00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:18,540
possibilities

1371
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:22,680
um but uh you know we are a tiny Speck

1372
00:53:27,770 --> 00:53:24,420
in in time in the history of the

1373
00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:27,780
universe so uh that the likelihood that

1374
00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:29,460
we would find somebody right at our

1375
00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:32,099
level who would you know be flying

1376
00:53:36,410 --> 00:53:34,140
spaceships like we would be flying or

1377
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:36,420
rocket ships or so is really kind of

1378
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,980
small they're either way ahead of us or

1379
00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:40,020
way behind us but

1380
00:53:45,410 --> 00:53:42,599
um it is it's fascinating he's he's you

1381
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:45,420
know talked about this in great detail

1382
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:48,119
right and it's not a lot of sorry jay go

1383
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:49,380
ahead buddy no I was going to say just

1384
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,260
my final word I I think we call it an

1385
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,960
alien experience uh because it is alien

1386
00:53:58,910 --> 00:53:56,400
whatever it is that you see in the sky

1387
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,920
it's not something that's common uh if

1388
00:54:02,690 --> 00:54:00,720
you deal with an entity that you're not

1389
00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:02,700
familiar with it is a nailing experience

1390
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,859
but it is part of nature then

1391
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:07,200
this is happening to you know globally

1392
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:09,000
to millions of people it's part of

1393
00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:10,559
nature that means if there's entities

1394
00:54:14,809 --> 00:54:12,599
from who knows where

1395
00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:14,819
it's part of Nature and we should be

1396
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,380
told about that you know we should be

1397
00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:18,480
treated as adults and the government

1398
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:20,460
should be more

1399
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,440
giving with the information that they

1400
00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:24,480
give us and let us know what's happening

1401
00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:27,240
right and certainly not accuse us of

1402
00:54:31,849 --> 00:54:29,640
being mentally ill or communist spies or

1403
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:31,859
so if we bring this up I mean that was

1404
00:54:35,690 --> 00:54:33,480
really the big failure of the government

1405
00:54:37,250 --> 00:54:35,700
years ago I understand the need to you

1406
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:37,260
know protect National Security

1407
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:38,700
information we don't want to tell our

1408
00:54:44,750 --> 00:54:41,579
adversaries everything we know about you

1409
00:54:46,990 --> 00:54:44,760
know space flight and Technology but um

1410
00:54:49,849 --> 00:54:47,000
to have come to the decision to

1411
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,859
stigmatize this area well it was a

1412
00:54:55,069 --> 00:54:52,559
terrible mistake in terms of the

1413
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,079
development of of information and and

1414
00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:57,599
we're suffering from that today

1415
00:55:01,069 --> 00:54:58,920
um you know I I didn't want the

1416
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:01,079
opportunity to pass without mentioning

1417
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:03,180
that I have in addition to the John Mack

1418
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,180
book that I wrote came out two years ago

1419
00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:08,400
but my wife and I have written the first

1420
00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:10,619
what we think is the first children's

1421
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,760
book on UFOs is factual not a fantasy

1422
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:16,319
not

1423
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:20,160
um you know fiction uh it's called UFOs

1424
00:55:24,349 --> 00:55:22,200
OHS

1425
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:24,359
um miracles in the sky

1426
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:28,319
and it's out in April of this year 2023

1427
00:55:32,569 --> 00:55:31,680
and it's the picture book that we hope

1428
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,579
will

1429
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,559
inform

1430
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:37,680
um children the new generation about

1431
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:40,260
this phenomenon so it's not just you

1432
00:55:45,049 --> 00:55:41,839
know a

1433
00:55:47,390 --> 00:55:45,059
fantasy uh but this is what we know

1434
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,400
about it this is what has been proven

1435
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,200
about it this is where the information

1436
00:55:54,049 --> 00:55:52,559
stands and and and and we know that the

1437
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,059
children will be growing up in a world

1438
00:55:58,430 --> 00:55:56,160
where there'll be a lot of scientific

1439
00:56:01,309 --> 00:55:58,440
advances in this subject so this gives

1440
00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:01,319
them a little basis for understanding

1441
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:03,780
this issue apart from the stuff they'll

1442
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:06,240
see on TV you know which with aliens and

1443
00:56:10,609 --> 00:56:08,760
and all that stuff which can be

1444
00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:10,619
counterproductive in a way because it's

1445
00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:11,940
confusing

1446
00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:13,079
um

1447
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,540
have this book coming out that will be a

1448
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,880
kind of an introduction to young people

1449
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:23,280
of a subject that they'll see all over

1450
00:56:26,270 --> 00:56:24,720
the place I mean they'll see an

1451
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:26,280
entertainment you know be in the

1452
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,660
newspapers

1453
00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:29,040
Etc

1454
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:30,900
nice let's make sure we have you back on

1455
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:33,480
for that for sure definitely I was just

1456
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:35,220
going to say where everybody's always

1457
00:56:38,809 --> 00:56:37,140
looking for proof we get hammered by

1458
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:38,819
people like where's the proof what your

1459
00:56:42,589 --> 00:56:40,440
people say all this stuff where's the

1460
00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:42,599
proof you mentioned this is a blip in

1461
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,240
time so we are on a proof finding

1462
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,280
Mission and if it wasn't for people like

1463
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,440
yourself taking the time writing these

1464
00:56:53,390 --> 00:56:51,359
articles putting their reputation and

1465
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,400
their name behind it we wouldn't be

1466
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:55,200
where we are right now you and a handful

1467
00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:56,940
of other people are really making things

1468
00:57:00,589 --> 00:56:59,099
possible and your colleague Leslie Kane

1469
00:57:02,690 --> 00:57:00,599
as well we give her a lot of credit for

1470
00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:02,700
that too so we really want to thank you

1471
00:57:06,049 --> 00:57:03,960
for coming on the show today Ralph

1472
00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:06,059
before we close where can people follow

1473
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,579
you or find out more about yourself yeah

1474
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,640
thank you I have a website

1475
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:13,440
ralphbloomenthal.com which lists all my

1476
00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:15,780
books and my bio and content there's a

1477
00:57:19,069 --> 00:57:17,460
contact tab

1478
00:57:20,569 --> 00:57:19,079
um and I love to get information from

1479
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:20,579
people

1480
00:57:25,970 --> 00:57:24,240
with stories I tell them I'm interested

1481
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:25,980
in your stories

1482
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:27,900
um and I've you know trying to follow up

1483
00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:29,880
as much as possible that it's difficult

1484
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:31,859
to you know obviously to keep track of

1485
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:34,920
everything that's going on but I do like

1486
00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:37,380
to you know get in from I follow a lot

1487
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:40,020
of people on Facebook they follow me

1488
00:57:43,790 --> 00:57:41,520
um so

1489
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,800
um you know and again there's a lot of

1490
00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:46,079
you know people say show me an ashtray

1491
00:57:50,809 --> 00:57:47,880
from a spaceship and I'll believe in it

1492
00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:50,819
well there's a lot of proof already

1493
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:53,640
um it's not the kind of proof that uh

1494
00:57:58,730 --> 00:57:54,720
science

1495
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:58,740
needs really for for a slam dunk but

1496
00:58:04,790 --> 00:58:01,920
there's a lot of uh pieces to this

1497
00:58:06,109 --> 00:58:04,800
puzzle that have come forward and if

1498
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:06,119
you're interested in the subject

1499
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:07,680
obviously your listeners are because

1500
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:09,420
they're tuning in

1501
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,480
uh you have to absorb this this

1502
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:14,400
information is a tremendous amount of

1503
00:58:19,010 --> 00:58:16,380
information out there MIT did a

1504
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:19,020
conference I saw my book with uh the

1505
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,040
story of the MIT Conference in 1990

1506
00:58:27,770 --> 00:58:25,440
um four or five I forgot

1507
00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:27,780
um but a lot of experts came together

1508
00:58:32,329 --> 00:58:30,300
and gave all their theories and and the

1509
00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:32,339
results were published it's called you

1510
00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:33,900
know

1511
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:38,900
um these the MIT uh uh I forgot uh

1512
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:41,400
Alien discussions it's called alien

1513
00:58:47,569 --> 00:58:44,819
discussions in MIT uh of all places MIT

1514
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,579
I mean they uh allowed it to you know

1515
00:58:52,910 --> 00:58:50,160
they gave a venue for this so there's a

1516
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:52,920
lot of information available before you

1517
00:58:57,770 --> 00:58:55,500
you know Divine not the kind of

1518
00:59:01,010 --> 00:58:57,780
information that we need for a you know

1519
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,020
clear-cut affirmation of something but

1520
00:59:05,089 --> 00:59:03,359
um a lot of smoking guns yeah like

1521
00:59:06,650 --> 00:59:05,099
puzzle pieces you start collecting them

1522
00:59:08,329 --> 00:59:06,660
and you can actually start forming a

1523
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:08,339
picture you don't have all the pieces

1524
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,839
yet but you you know there's something

1525
00:59:14,690 --> 00:59:11,520
there the image is starting to pop out

1526
00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:14,700
right very well put yeah Ralph we thank

1527
00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:16,020
you so much for coming on the podcast

1528
00:59:21,530 --> 00:59:18,900
major respect uh for you from both of us

1529
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,540
we we love your work uh like I said your

1530
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:23,760
your article with Leslie Kane and uh it

1531
00:59:29,569 --> 00:59:26,640
was Helene Elaine Cooper Helene Cooper

1532
00:59:31,849 --> 00:59:29,579
um really uh you know to say bluntly

1533
00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:31,859
kicked the world into balls and sort of

1534
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,660
brought the subject back up on the table

1535
00:59:38,809 --> 00:59:35,520
and since then there's been so much

1536
00:59:41,690 --> 00:59:38,819
momentum so many groups podcasts and

1537
00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:41,700
shows Joe Rogan talks about it uh it's a

1538
00:59:45,890 --> 00:59:43,740
big deal and you guys should really be

1539
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:45,900
taking a lot of pride in that that was a

1540
00:59:50,930 --> 00:59:48,900
major a major move and it got the ball

1541
00:59:52,490 --> 00:59:50,940
going well thank you very much for

1542
00:59:56,569 --> 00:59:52,500
having me and I love to talk about it

1543
01:00:00,430 --> 00:59:56,579
and uh I'm sure we'll do this again